I first wrote up ETCC in early 2019 with the stock at $0.58, having fallen from a high around $2 a year prior. When the company stopped filing in 2020 I held and waited. In mid-2021, with the stock in the $0.30's, I bought more as the company released new orders and told investors they would be getting current with financials.
With a market cap of $2m in Feb 2023 the company announced an $85m contract. As the stock spiked 4x up to $2 I sold nothing, thinking if that contract actually follows through it's going higher.
As the stock fell back below $0.50 I bought more. Fast forward to now and we have the stock at $1.78 with a $17m market cap. Backlog is $109m. The company has earned $0.09, $0.08, $0.17 the past three quarters, totalling $5.5m.
If you've ever wondered how Buffett found a stock at PE = 3 here it is.
Of course there are negatives. Book value is only $3.4m due to too much debt of $41m. The preferred shares are an overhang as they accrue $485k per year in dividends totalling $5.7m now. The 12,127 pref shares have a stated value of $1k each so it'd cost $12.1m+5.7m=$18.4m to buy them out. They are convertible to 6.1m shares common at $1.98 each. Probably the biggest risk is the recent good numbers being only temporary. The stock was at a quarter before that big contract announcement after all.
You can see the story in the chart.
I thought for sure once the contract came and earnings fell to the bottom line we'd be at $5. Over $3 at least. Yet here we sit at the same level for three quarterly reports now. Maybe the negatives are stronger than I thought.
The biggest risk to me is the future. Will the good times continue or do we drop back to a quarter. To judge that we can look at order flow. Below is a chart of backlog over the past few years and the main takeaway for me is the backlog staying up. It didn't spike and drop but has grown even if you take out the $85m.
Order flow has been pretty good recently:
- June 2023: ETC Awarded $17.3 Million Contract for its Sterilization Systems Group
- Jan 2024: ETC’s Aerospace Segment Awarded $12.4 Million in Contracts
- May 2024: ETC’s Commercial/Industrial Units Awarded Three Contracts Totaling $15.9 Million
- Sept 2024: ETC’s Aerospace and Commercial/Industrial Units Awarded Contracts Totaling $13.4 Million
Let's add revenue to the picture. It's a pretty linear ramp which I suppose makes sense as they scale. But backlog has increased by a larger percentage than revenue which makes me wonder if we still have growth ahead.
"our ending sales backlog was $109 million. We expect to recognize as revenue approximately 64% of the backlog over the next twelve (12) months and approximately 96% of the backlog over the next twenty-four (24) months"
So they are expecting 109*0.64/4 ~= $17.4m avg revenue per quarter over the next 4 Qs. What sort of earnings you think might come from that? Earnings and revenue drive stocks after all. Below is the past 4 quarters and take a look at that Q4. Margins are always a question and I don't know how to judge that, but if we get a year like that then we have a 2-3 forward PE stock growing like a weed.
Next big negative is that preferred. I really wish it didn't exist but what can you do. It wouldn't be interesting if all was bright and shiny. The estate of H.F. Lenfest owns all the preferred and 23.5% of the common. In my first ETCC blog post I postulated the company was going to get sold or have some event since he had passed. He was with the company for decades and if he converted the pref he'd have 54% of ETCC. His estate holds all the shares and I don't know their wishes but it wouldn't surprise me if an event were announced one of these days.
Three options exist with the preferred.
- It could be they are held forever to receive their 4% div at $485k per year. So far those dividends have just been accruing and accruing, unpaid and sitting on the balance sheet. Which again makes me wonder if the Lenfest estate is looking for an event to just take them out.
- The preferred could be converted to 6.1m shares common at $1.98. This would dilute us by 65% which I don't love but the company would receive $12m so maybe not the worst outcome. They could pay off the accrued dividends and pocket $6m.
- Or the company could buy out the preferred. Personally I think this is most likely and it'll happen if and when there is ever an event and the company gets acquired or whatever happens. As I noted above already it'd cost $18.4m to buy them out. The company does have a history of buying back the preferred from Lenfest as you can see here in 2012. That's when Lenfest was a director and their long time CEO William Mitchell was running the show (both are since gone).
Maybe I'm too optimistic but that keeps me in long term and long term is where you capture the big money. I'm always looking for the big money.
--Dan
I prefer EV / EBIT and think it is better fundamental ratio than P/E. The EV / EBIT of this stock is 6.1x. EV / EBIT is a multiple based on a total capital basis, where debt is also taken into account. Some studies show that P/E has no predictive power for the stock price.
ReplyDeleteIf you are saying PE doesn't matter I don't even know what to say. Earnings and revenue are the two most prominent concepts in press releases. I guess if you look at enough data you can see whatever you like.
Deletesee this study, covering 30 years "Valuation Multiples: Identifying Undervalued Stocks From 1987 to Valuation Multiples: Identifying Undervalued Stocks From 1987 to 2017": https://scholarworks.uni.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1140&context=mtie
DeleteIf PE was predictive then no one would ever have to do any research to make market beating returns. Just buy low PE and profit! The truth is that earnings are all that matter in the long run, and PE is just the market expectation for the growth in earnings. The quality of a PE's predictive power is affected debt, growth, preferred stock overhang, legal risk, market risk, political risk, financing risk, fraud risk, etc, etc. So yea, its far better to use EV/EBIT to look at any business to help filter out at least some of those factors, much more than PE. But you still have to focus on the big picture, what will future earnings likely be, and how confident you can be they will happen, to decide if EV/EBIT is reasonable or not.
DeleteThank you for doing this. Long time holder myself, and have added shares at higher than the current price.
ReplyDeleteI also think is cheap and waiting for another big jump. All you said makes a lot of sense for me.
ReplyDeleteNext interview with Maj, tell him to let you talk a little more. You almost seemed like the interviewer. He's a nice guy but it's a shame you couldn't go into more depth about your actions.
Thanks for the write up. We missed them a lot.
Last comment was mine.
ReplyDeleteexcellent analysis. long time holder also. one best thing i learned from you is not to sell. that makes you not selling to early and missing multi baggers like this one/ maube at crazy unexplained spike. But this doesn't happen anymore in the last 3 years. thank you
ReplyDeleteOk, just finished reading their quarterly report. I think the important things you are missing in this writeup is liquidity and competitive analysis. At first glance their balance sheet is concerning, half of their current assets are "contract assets". Reading through their 10K it seems like it is unbilled work, so the question that should be asked is there any chance any of this won't be paid when current liabilities are owed? And why are preferred dividends a current liability, did something happen to trigger repayment obligations? Secondly their PNC line only has $6.5m left available, and why is it secured by the pledged collateral from the estate of H.F. Lenfest? And they pledged almost all their cash to secure it, so they can only repay the PNC line with free cash flow, not from assets.
ReplyDeleteI'm not saying they are at risk of running out of cash any time soon but their balance sheet seems a lot higher risk than most I've seen. And they haven't generated positive cash flow in last year and a half. That appears to be from their growth but it makes liquidity concerns even higher priority. And how can they ever have hopes of paying off Preferred interest, let alone balance while in this cash burning growth mode? When will it turn into cash generation?
So the second part of the analysis that is important is competitive/market. Why are revenues growing so much, and how long can we expect it to continue? Their growth is all ATS and Sterilizers, do they have proprietary advantages that competitors can't currently match and if so how long can we expect that to last? How will they be affected by government efficiency efforts and possible reductions in spending? How can t
It looks really cheap at around a 5x trailing TTM EV/EBTIDA, and 3.3x based on last quarter. But it does us no good if they run low on cash and have to pull back on growth, or gosh forbid, have a liquidity crisis that leads to massive dilution. So I'm still trying to work on getting comfortable with the risk/moat issues before I can pull the trigger.
I'm sure many things are missing from my writeups. I try to focus on what I feel is most important. Many of my stock decisions boil down to one main point or two. I don't do competitive analysis.
DeleteI'll definitely update you if I learn anything more on ETCC, I may call them for clarity on both issues. Thanks for the idea, and please don't mistake my criticism as a lack of appreciation, just hoping to contribute.
DeleteOk, but these are important things to consider for any long term holding. A one year bulge in orders that dissipates because it wasn't driven by some kind of long term competitive advantage is a value trap, or worse. A cheap business that has liquidity issues can get far cheaper if a short term liquidity crisis forces it into heavy dilution or god forbid, reorganization.
ReplyDeleteBuffett has a quote "If you aren't willing to own a stock for ten years, don't even think about owning it for ten minutes” that I try (and sometimes fail) to apply. I use it to remind me that if I may end up stuck in a position that gets cheaper after I bought it, to make sure I only entered knowing everything important about. If it turns out to be a mistake, I want it only to be a mistake of commission (my decision making) not omission (a lack of research). We all make mistakes, so I try to eliminate the ones that are easiest to prevent (simply by extra research/analysis), which is also the easiest way to improve my decision making, which is otherwise hard to improve.
"these are important things to consider for any long term holding" I disagree
DeleteI always plan to hold stocks for ten years. Have held ETCC for about 5 at this point. I do not attempt to know everything. If a stock requires knowing everything I don't get involved. I deal with individual stock risk by owning many stocks rather than trying to analyze the risk out of each individual one
Understood, I'm a very concentrated investor so my priorities are different. Thanks again, I'm continuing to research it and will let you know if I find anything important.
DeleteI don't have the time to go very deep on the business side of any of my stocks. I also don't feel confident evaluating that, so I don't. Most of my investing decisions take less than 30 mins
Deletemakes sense. take it easy
DeleteAny thoughts on the sale leaseback and how that affects your views on valuation?
ReplyDeleteNot really. The rent is high so they must've really needed the money.
DeleteHi Dan,
ReplyDeleteYesterday ETC announced a sales-leaseback. The assets were sold for $4.000.000 and they are going to lease back for $1.750.000 annually. I´m sure that I´m losing some information, but a simple view this has no sense.
Have you any information that claryfies this announce?
The simple view is that they are running low on cash.They've been burning cash for a while growing their business and it looks like they need more.
DeleteI don't know anything other than what's written in the press release. They needed the money to execute on the backlog
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